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  Watchtower Coercion of Non-JWs

  by Lee Elder in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  it is widely known that the watchtower coerces compliance with its deadly blood dogma.

  a less known fact is that this pressure is further extended to non-believing family members of jw's.

  a new story at ajwrb recounts how jw elders nearly cost the life of one unbeliever when he fell gravely anemic.

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  Sparrowdown: Please post your story in the comment section of the story at AJWRB so it doesn't get lost to time. Thanks.
  
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  Watchtower Coercion of Non-JWs

  by Lee Elder in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  it is widely known that the watchtower coerces compliance with its deadly blood dogma.

  a less known fact is that this pressure is further extended to non-believing family members of jw's.

  a new story at ajwrb recounts how jw elders nearly cost the life of one unbeliever when he fell gravely anemic.

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  Lee Elder

  Sparrowdown: This speaks to the blood phobias instilled in JWs by Watchtower. Clearly, they know a non-JW is under no restriction from using blood. Now perhaps someone would argue that the restriction applies to all because of the Noachian covenant. I would call nonsense on that because that is strictly a Watchtower interpretation that is universally rejected by Christian and Jewish scholars.
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  New Research at AJWRB

  by Lee Elder in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  the latest research article published at ajwrb estimates the number of jehovah's witnesses who have died from following or being coerced to follow watchtower's blood policy.

  the numbers are staggering.

  http://ajwrb.org/jehovahs-witnesses-and-blood-tens-of-thousands-dead-in-hidden-tragedy.

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  Lee Elder

  Ruby 456. You wrote:

  "the problem is that the poster and you Lee elder are not addressing why this study was done and why it appears in later journals. the study was done in order to know and manage risks amongst JW patients who become anaemic to improve outcomes and this is one of the things which you are not allowing for in your so called conservative estimates and it is this that makes your estimates sensationalist".

  This is patently false. You have either not read the original research by Beliaev in July 2012 VoxSanginis, or you are being intentionally dishonest. The research was undertaken to assess the clinical benefit and cost-effectiveness of ARBC transfusion in severe anemia. In order to do this the researchers did the only thing they could do, compare costs and outcomes with patients who accept ARBC transfusion with costs and outcomes with a matched set of patients who refuse ARBC transfusion.
  
  Beliaev et als research demonstrated that ARBC transfusion in anaemic patients is clinically beneficial and cost-effective. On this point the outcome of JW patients suffering severe anemia who refused ARBC transfusion, compared to patients who were treated with ARBC transfusion resoundingly demonstrated that ARBC transfusion to treat patients with severe anemia is extremely effective, not to mention its cost effectiveness.

  I have attached a scan of the front page of the article. It is not available for free online, only the abstract.

  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22150804

  Please move your mind to another subject. I am too busy with important work to continually have to correct your mistakes..
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  Watchtower Coercion of Non-JWs

  by Lee Elder in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  it is widely known that the watchtower coerces compliance with its deadly blood dogma.

  a less known fact is that this pressure is further extended to non-believing family members of jw's.

  a new story at ajwrb recounts how jw elders nearly cost the life of one unbeliever when he fell gravely anemic.

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  Lee Elder

  It makes you wonder how many unbelieving spouses, and other relatives have experienced this kind of pressure from their JW family, and elders at the local congregation.
  
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  Watchtower Coercion of Non-JWs

  by Lee Elder in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  it is widely known that the watchtower coerces compliance with its deadly blood dogma.

  a less known fact is that this pressure is further extended to non-believing family members of jw's.

  a new story at ajwrb recounts how jw elders nearly cost the life of one unbeliever when he fell gravely anemic.

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  Here is another experience via a comment on this story at AJWRB. This one does not have a happy ending, and it yet another factor in why our death estimate is low:

  JV on August 18, 2017 at 1:29 PM

  During one of my travels, I met a fellow about my age (in his late 60s) at an ex-JW meetup. He learned about me while reading articles on the Internet and was looking forward to having a conversation.

  During our conversation, he literally broke down and cried right in front of me. It is rare to see a man of his age just completely break down like that – but he could not control his emotions. I just sat there and waited until he was able to regather his composure.

  “I killed my father. I didn’t want to do that – I wanted him to live. But I felt I had no choice. I refused to let him have a blood transfusion. I looked at his eyes and I could see him begging me to allow him a chance to live – and I refused. I’ve carried that burden of guilt ever since.”

  Then he shared a most shocking revelation: His father was not, and never had been a Jehovah’s Witness. While his father was struggling to live waiting for him to allow the doctors to proceed with needed treatment that included one or more transfusions – he blocked them from performing their healing therapy. “I might as well have pointed a gun at my fathers head and pulled the trigger,” he added – tears streaming down his face.

  I won’t go on with his story because I do not want to give away more information about him that might identify who he is. My point is that the elders were able to convince him to engage himself and force their blood transfusion policies on a man who was not, and never had been a JW. He remarked, “If there ever was a case of ‘blood guilt,’ I am it. I was truly responsible for the death of my own father.”

  I’ve completely lost contact with that fellow over the years, so I do not know his current status. I do hope that he sees this and send me a reply. But the point is that those elders truly carry the blame (or at least part of it) for convincing someone to withhold a blood transfusion from a parent who was never a JW. The same thing applies to JW parents making those same decisions for their ill children – babies who never had a chance to make their own choices. If there is a “God” – I can not imagine that he-she-it would ever have intended for anyone to die needlessly over a ridiculous rule from 3500 years ago. I could almost imagine Him saying, “Jesus Christ! I gave you the knowledge of how to utilize blood transfusions to save lives – and now you reject my gift? What the hell are you thinking?!!!!”
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  New Research at AJWRB

  by Lee Elder in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  the latest research article published at ajwrb estimates the number of jehovah's witnesses who have died from following or being coerced to follow watchtower's blood policy.

  the numbers are staggering.

  http://ajwrb.org/jehovahs-witnesses-and-blood-tens-of-thousands-dead-in-hidden-tragedy.

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  The methodology is sound and credible. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

  Here is an email I received today from an interested reader:

  If we have a given population (JWs) with a unique attribute that is suspected to have a certain effect compared to the general population (non-JWs) that does not have that unique attribute then we need to find a means of measuring the suspected effect within a defined population that represents both the given and general populations.
  
  The article published by Beliaev and company in the July 2012 issue of VoxSanguinis is useful because it gives a matched set of patients with one set of patients representing the unique population (JWs) and the other set of patients representing the general population (non-JWs). The sole difference between these two patient sets was that one refused transfusion of red cells to treat severe anemia and the other set did not.
  Beliaev and company found that in the region from which their medical data came there were 19 deaths over a 10-year period over and beyond what the matched set of patients experienced in the general population. Keep in mind this is a hard number. 19 deaths were due to refusing transfusion of red cells to treat severe anemia. More than 19 deaths were suffered within the set of JW patients. But 19 of them were found to be due to the unique attribute of the JW population to refuse transfusion of red cells to treat severe anemia. If we divide these 19 deaths by 10 (the number of years the study gathered data for) it results in 1.9 deaths per year due solely to refusing transfusion of red cells to treat severe anemia.
  The region from which this data was gathered represents 57 percent of the total population of New Zealand. The JW population in New Zealand for the 10-year period averaged 12,700 per year (this is the number of “publishers” not the total number of all persons associated with the religion; infants, bible studies, etc.). 57 percent of 12,700 is 7,239. Hence, compared to the general population the JW population suffered 1.9 deaths per 7,239 of its published number of “publishers” due to refusing transfusion of red cells to treat severe anemia.
  The ratio of 1.9 deaths per 7,239 publishers is not an estimate. These are hard numbers. 1.9 is the actual average annual number of deaths known to have occurred solely due to refusing transfusion of red cells to treat severe anemia. The 7,239 is the actual published average number of JWs per year for the same period and population from which the deaths occurred.
  From here it’s basic math to calculate an estimate of deaths suffered by the great population of JWs for refusing transfusion of red cells to treat severe anemia. The numbers are staggering, and they’re hidden in plain sight.
  What makes an estimate based on these hard numbers conservative? Several things. For one, the average life span for the general population from which the data was collected is very high (very good), which means the numbers are not skewed in an upward direction due to poor healthcare or living conditions found in other population regions of the world. Also, the 1.9 value assumes there was not even a single death among JWs suffered in the given population during the same 10-year period at any of the other scores of hospitals in the same population region from which the data came, each of which treats patients with severe anemia, hence using the 1.9 value does, if anything, skew the estimate downward. Another thing this estimate ignores is even a single death in the same region due to refusing products rendered from blood to treat diseases other than severe anemia. Again, if anything this tamps any estimate downward rather than upward.
  
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  White supremacy is an ideology of peace

  by OneEyedJoe in

  1. social
  2. current

  i'm tired of hearing these constant attacks on white supremacists after the events in charlottesville.

  why are moderate white supremacists being lumped in together and sharing the blame for the actions of one reprehensible man that misinterpreted the ideals of white supremacy and became violent?

  clearly the motivation of such attacks on white supremacists is nothing other than racism.

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  Lee Elder

  Tell me this is satire please.
  
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  Watchtower Coercion of Non-JWs

  by Lee Elder in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  it is widely known that the watchtower coerces compliance with its deadly blood dogma.

  a less known fact is that this pressure is further extended to non-believing family members of jw's.

  a new story at ajwrb recounts how jw elders nearly cost the life of one unbeliever when he fell gravely anemic.

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  Lee Elder

  It is widely known that the Watchtower coerces compliance with its deadly blood dogma. A less known fact is that this pressure is further extended to non-believing family members of JW's. A new story at AJWRB recounts how JW elders nearly cost the life of one unbeliever when he fell gravely anemic. Subscribe at AJWRB to receive the latest updates and experiences.

  http://ajwrb.org/jw-elders-pressure-non-believers-to-conform
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  New Research at AJWRB

  by Lee Elder in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  the latest research article published at ajwrb estimates the number of jehovah's witnesses who have died from following or being coerced to follow watchtower's blood policy.

  the numbers are staggering.

  http://ajwrb.org/jehovahs-witnesses-and-blood-tens-of-thousands-dead-in-hidden-tragedy.

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  Read the article, read the references, read the thread. We haven't made any attempt to do anything other than present a conservative estimate. Not sure what else you'd like me to say. The numbers are what they are. The fact that you find them disturbing probably says more about you then it does about the estimate. Technically, the only thing I have personally done is bring these estimates current through 2016 using the method the original investigators used. Your issue is really with them I think. You'd like to see an estimate that breaks down risk for every type of surgery or illness, year by year, country by country, etc, etc, etc. Wouldn't that be lovely? Of course its impossible to do that, so therefore we should just give the Watchtower Society a pass? Well that is not going to happen. They clearly have thousands upon thousands of deaths they are directly responsible for. We might not be able to come up with an exact figure for how many died in the Civil War, World Wars, Holocaust, etc, etc, etc. We still do our best with the data we have. I think you have to accept that John. Its not a perfect world. We have enough to know that there is a huge problem.
  
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  New Research at AJWRB

  by Lee Elder in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  the latest research article published at ajwrb estimates the number of jehovah's witnesses who have died from following or being coerced to follow watchtower's blood policy.

  the numbers are staggering.

  http://ajwrb.org/jehovahs-witnesses-and-blood-tens-of-thousands-dead-in-hidden-tragedy.

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  To characterize what we have published as self professed "gospel" is at the very least a gross mischaracterization that hardly deserves a response. Check the meaning of the word. We have been careful to state that it is only an estimate, and that there are both known and unknown factors that would alter the estimate.

  The single greatest limitation of this analysis is that it likely grossly underestimates the actual number of fatalities. Bear in mind, we didn't count as much as one death for the entire period of 1945-1961. A period when "non-blood" alternative therapies did not exist for all practical purposes.

  As previously said, please feel free to take a look at what is out there and make your own attempt to use existing studies to estimate the impact. Let's see what you come up with.